Get an MBA and acquire the healthy level of narcissism that is necessary to become a leader

What do you get from an MBA? One recent study found that MBAs acquire an enormous amount of self-confidence during their graduate education. They learn to believe that they are the best and the brightest.

This narcissism has a real career impact. Psychologists at Ohio State University studied the behavior of 153 MBA students, who were put in groups of four and asked to orchestrate a large financial transaction on behalf of an imaginary company. The psychologists observed that the students who had the strongest narcissistic traits were most likely to emerge as leaders.

According to Amy Brunell, the lead author, the results of the study had large implications for real-world settings, because “narcissistic leaders tend to have volatile and risky decision- making performance and can be ineffective and potentially destructive leaders.”

Brutal commentary coming out of Bloomberg, considering a good chunk of their readership has come out of an MBA program at some point.

The study does validate something I've seen-- that it DOES take a level of gumption/ego/reality distortion field to rise to lead/manage within an organization or have the guts to go out and do things that change the world. Whether that change is for good or for evil probably depends on the person's motivations and the levels of unhealthy narcissism, though.

I've heard that you can trace the downturn of industry sectors by the percentage of exiting MBA grads surveyed who say they want to go into that field post-graduation. Is it a wonder that finance is suffering now after being the career of choice for decades? By the time people find out what the next hot thing is, that thing has peaked.

Another big 'most-wanted' company by MBA grads these days? Google.

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16 comments

Feb 17, 2009
Greg McDonald said...
Interesting study. I agree that leaders do need some ego in the sense of believing that what they want to accomplish is actually possible.

Overestimating one's own abilities, however, could be where ego starts to go bad—that is, believing that what you want to accomplish can be done alone.

Feb 17, 2009
Pieces of Me said...
I think that's where the "healthy" level comes in. There's a big difference between confidence and narcissism.
Feb 17, 2009
Perry said...
I got to get me some of that MBA, but I don't want to be a narcissist. Just need the confidence. LOL
Feb 17, 2009
Sachin Agarwal said...
you know how we make fun of MBA students all the time (sorry, Roy). At the end of the day, this makes sense and has confirmed all our experiences with Posterous:

1. You learn a lot in an MBA program and it's super useful knowledge. We've had to pick up a lot of corporate legal and finance knowledge now for Posterous which we would have learned in business school (I'd rather learn it as we did, but that's a separate point)

2. Having confidence is incredibly important when it comes to running a company, making deals, managing people, or just generally doing any job. The more confidence you have, the better you can lead, the better work you do, more gets done. Our best deals came when we were most confident.

3. We (Posterous) have been in meetings where we've hoped to work with other companies on things. Anytime we talk to a developer or product guy, we get super excited and want to work with them. When/if we are passed on to the business guy, we get pissed off/annoyed and cut off the partnership. I feel these guys we've talked to (I'm not saying all MBAs) are the guys who have this narcissism that makes them hard to deal with and they probably lead their companies astray.

Feb 18, 2009
Shivanand P.B. said...
point #2 that Sachin mentions is absolutely true. An MBA gains a great amount of business knowledge that instills lot of confidence, yes sometimes the confidence does go overboard...
Feb 18, 2009
Jerry Daniels said...
1. Healthy narcissism does not exist. Contradictory terms. Forget the hair-splitting. Self-confidence is a COMPLETELY different thing.
2. MBA's are becoming a commodity. MFA is the thing. Design, kids, design. It's not "plastic" any more. (The Graduate ref.)
Feb 18, 2009
Evan Bartlett said...
When the MBA discussion comes up, I always hear the same couple of justifications:

1) its great when changing careers
2) its really good for networking
3) its a big benefit to guys with technical backgrounds looking to round out the business side
4) its a "finishing school" for CEOs (probably useful IF you want to stay on as a CEO once your company starts to really grow, rather than just jump ship for another startup)

Sachin is spot on, and I think its because the startup world is a different place, and the MBA stereotypes don't apply here as much.

You need to be an entrepreneur first, and then you can learn to be an MBA, it doesn't work the other way around.

Feb 18, 2009
Sachin Agarwal said...
I'd never really considered doing an MBA before, but I think about it more and more now. Maybe one day, after Posterous...
Feb 18, 2009
Evan Bartlett said...
I'll get one if the economy just keeps getting worse and I need a place to hide out :-) haha.

It comes up a lot because so many of my friends go get them, but I've yet to see concrete evidence that it helps in this space.  I'll start polling those guys to see if they've got some real world examples.

We'll definitely have to keep in touch on this topic to see how things go at Posterous, and where an MBA could have helped?
Feb 19, 2009
Vincent Chu said...
MBA's aren't all bad. They just feel entitled!
Feb 21, 2009
Robert Barretto said...
is the study somewhat more a reflection of our business culture? scores of quartets of mba students after all chose/allowed their leader to be the most narcissistic one of the lot.

any comments on the 'room for error' part of the bloomberg opinion? that aspect was very intriguing to me.

Feb 21, 2009
Garry Tan said...
Evan -- I wonder if we would have become more of a traditional VC-backed play if Sachin and I had MBA's? Part of the interesting aspect of an MBA is its focus on management. Many (but not all) MBA's need a room full of people to direct in order to feel validated. I hope I never feel that way. It's far more important for me to build something people want, to steal a page from Paul Graham.

Robert -- I'm pretty convinced that Enron-esque 'smartest guy in the room' hubris applied here too. Money talks, and when you make as much money as you do in finance, one takes on the air of invincibility. I love "The Black Swan" by Nassim Nicholas Taleb -- it's a much better explanation than this article of what's happening now in the markets.

Feb 21, 2009
Evan Bartlett said...
Garry

Yep, you probably wouldnt be in this biz if you were MBAs.  Disclaimer: I know I'm making huge generalizations here.

MBAs seem to learn a certain framework at school which causes them to see the world in a specific way.  Sometimes this makes them blind to the basic common sense of "build what people want".

Now this opens them to some opportunities that guys like you and I would probably miss, or wouldnt want to be a part of :-)

No offense to those guys, but I like the simple common sense approach.
Feb 21, 2009
Sachin Agarwal said...
I'd like to get an MBA to compliment by desire to "build what people want." I'd never want the business side to get in the way of the product, but I think it's a great thing to understand. I've enjoyed doing the legal and finance part of Posterous, but I wish I had a deeper understanding of it all.
Feb 21, 2009
Evan Bartlett said...
Yeah, I think it would be even more useful after going through the process with Posterous.

Have you guys blogged about the lessons learned on the legal/finance side?  Would love to hear what you thought was most important...
Feb 21, 2009
Sachin Agarwal said...
I've definitely passed on the wisdom we've gained to other YC companies and friends, but I haven't formalized anything into blog posts. Not enough time for that :)

I just had a meeting with a CPA and learned all sorts of interesting stuff. I definitely should get into the habit of sharing the knowledge online.

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