Get things done. More building, less talking: A simple rule of thumb for raising money.

We're impressed by teams that get things done, and unimpressed by teams haven't even started to build something. I've often found myself thinking, "If you think this is so great an idea, why haven't you spent some weekends building a version 0 prototype?"
--Trevor Blackwell, partner at Y Combinator, via news.ycombinator.com

Seriously, whether you're raising pre-seed from YC, seed from angels, or Series A from VC's, you've got to get moving.

This is not college admissions -- nobody is here to pat you on the head. If you want to get ahead, you've got to build, build, build. A great idea on its own is worthless without a team that can make it real.

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15 comments

Nov 05, 2009
Jared Tame said...
Trevor nailed it. I would probably not even apply if you don't have a demo. Nobody will take you seriously and people will question whether you can get anything done over a summer.
Nov 05, 2009
Garry Tan said...
After reviewing apps for YC this time around, it's pretty obvious why they do it that way. The "all idea" apps really look terribly weak in comparison to ones that have working products and users.
Nov 05, 2009
Chris Myles said...
You can't play around with vaporware.. I would want to kick the tires if I was an investor.
Nov 05, 2009
Fetch Plus said...
Garry agree. getter done. what's an idea worth? nothing if you do nothing with it. like the vaporware comment by Christ. tnx for the post.
Nov 05, 2009
I have to admit that I'm somewhat skeptical about this. Not all ideas are cute web-apps that can be built for the meager sum that YCombinator offers in exchange for such a large percentage of a company.

Young Entrepreneur: I've spent 500 hours building a product
Wisened, shrewed Investor: Great, I'll take 6% of that value you've created, plus the 600 hours I expect you to spend over the next 3 months, and pay you twice San Francisco's minimum wage for that privilege.
Young Entrepreneur: oooooooh!

Nov 05, 2009
Jared Tame said...
Michael, you're doing a straight conversion. This is a very popular criticism of YC, and an even bigger misconception. It's not about a straight dollar conversion, otherwise you're implying that YC is the exact same experience as any other incubator, even one that has no prior experience or networks. Unfortunately, it's not that black and white.
Nov 05, 2009
Jared,

Perhaps it's a popular criticism because it's a valid one. I understand that a straight dollar conversion is not fair, but what would be fair? As a consultant, I value my time at $150/hour, so how about we put a very simplistic scenario together based on that?

Imagine I've already spent a realistic 400 hours of straight work on an application, and YCombinator accepts me. I've already invested $60k in opportunity cost betting on my start-up. Now I spend another 170 hours per month for 3 months, that comes out to roughly another $77k in opportunity cost. I've traded $140k in opportunity cost. for $14k in funding, and given YC 5% of my company.

For $14k they've purchased 5% of what they believe is a $280k company. Where does that $280k of value come from? Maybe from the $126k in free labor I've given the company?

Nov 05, 2009
Garry Tan said...
Michael -- check out http://www.paulgraham.com/equity.html -- it's a very good way of doing a gut check on whether its worth it to do really anything in a startup related to equity.

The truth is we gave up ~6% but got an absolutely staggering ROI on it. Network, connections, peer group, advice, you name it.

You ask any YC company whether it was worth it and almost all will say yes. Us included.

Nov 06, 2009
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But, if you've done too much building, generated too much revenue, got too many customers, you grow right past the "sweet spot" for YC and become less likely to be accepted - so, what is the optimal amount of building by the time your YC application is considered?
Nov 07, 2009
Jay Jaboneta said...
I believe Trevor got it on point. If YOU believe in something strongly, why not try to build it first. There are many ways to kill a cat, same with building products. Investors love an individual who takes the initiative. Thanks for sharing this.
Nov 07, 2009
HungryPeople,

Because life happens? Not every startup idea is a simple web application. Perhaps Ycombinator only invests in easy, one-trick pony ideas, but that doesn't represent the reality of all business.

Nov 07, 2009
Garry Tan said...
Michael, ease up on the YC hate man. Not cool. 

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Nov 07, 2009
Garry, forgive me if it seems like YC hate. It's not, I think YC has incubated some great companies, well Posterous and Wufoo are the only ones whose services I use regularly, but I think it's a great model for such web services.

I'm realizing that clearly YC's sweet spot is "web app that can be built by two guys in a very short period of time". For more complex businesses, say services that have real capex requirements, it's just not a fit.

Nov 07, 2009
Garry Tan said...
That's a fair assessment. YC is a bit of a venture hack recognizing how cheap a useful website can be created.  

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Nov 07, 2009
Jay Jaboneta said...
Hi Michael, thanks for the good point. I think YC probably invests only in web startups because that's its expertise. There are too many investors who invest in businesses that they don't understand. Where is the logic to that? I believe at the core, YOU have to play to YOUR strengths. What do YOU think?

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