Surprising side-by-side documentary footage by a $169 Flip Mino vs. $3500 Canon XH-A1

Wow, Kirk Mastin taped a Flip video camera to a $3,500 Canon XH-A1 + pro mic, and filmed a mini-short with both of them filming identical footage. He then runs through it one after another, and you can barely tell the difference. The main difference actually is the sound quality, and even that isn't significant at all.

This is apparently the video blog entry that caused the NYTimes to pick up the Flip camera. Anyway, Kirk Mastin, your blog rocks.

And also I just finally ordered a Flip Mino HD myself. I'm absolutely inspired by the storytelling possibilities.

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15 comments

Apr 08, 2009
Sachin Agarwal said...
Well, i don't think this is really a fare video, but it has good points.

Basically it boils down to what he said to start: people are making video for the mobile space, small screens on phones. If you assume that, then sure, these small cameras are fine.

How is this comparison any different from still cameras? A DSLR is only better than a cheap point and shoot when it comes to low light abilities, shallow depth of field, resolution and detail.

But if you take any average day time, well lit shot, at web viewing sizes, i bet it would be really hard to tell the difference between a $3k DSLR and a $100 P&S.

Anyway, i think the flip is amazing. But i this comparison is a bit misleading

Apr 08, 2009
Sachin Agarwal said...
also, honest question: why buy a flip over something like a canon 780IS which shoots the same h.264 720p30 video, but also acts as a phenomenal 12mp stabilized still camera?

The flip is a little cheaper, and the form factor is nice. So that's great.

But the canon has a larger sensor, larger screen, zoom, and like a million other features. I would probably just get a camera like this and carry it everywhere.

I think all this is moot because I'm betting the new iPhone coming out in June/July will do HD video just like the flip, and then it's game over for these guys.

Apr 08, 2009
Garry Tan said...
I don't really want a point and shoot camera. I like the Flip's simplicity.
Apr 08, 2009
Daniel said...
This pocket-cam space is growing like crazy, and I love that there are now many options, all ~$200 or less. I have a Flip, but I also got a Creative Vado HD. The Vado has a much much larger viewing agle, which makes it better for videoing people and rooms. I always had a hard time fitting the shot in the Mino's narrow frame. Kodak is coming out with a weather resistant model soon too.

I also agree w/ Sachin, that having this capability in my phone (which is ALWAYS with me) would be awesome... but I seriously doubt the iPhone will get 2+ hours of HD filming though.

Apr 08, 2009
Jason said...
I got the Vado HD before we took of for Prague and it's a great little HD camera. Like Daniel said, the viewing angle is WAY bigger for the Vado vs. Flip, so that was a selling point for me. Also, Amazon had it super cheap that day... I think $130.

It has been great for concerts too. Since it's so small it's fairly stealthy.

Apr 08, 2009
Sachin Agarwal said...
Well, the flip records 60 minutes on 4gb. So if you assume the iphone has the same data rate, it should be able to do a lot more than the flip...
Apr 08, 2009
edwinc said...
Thanks for posting this...I am sure that small HD cameras will improve in the next few years. It's a good alternative and inexpensive ways to great quality online video.
Apr 08, 2009
Garry Tan said...
The only thing I didn't like about the Vado was how susceptible it was to background noise -- it was much harder to hear people talk when in a noisy environment.
Apr 08, 2009
edwinc said...
I am sure sound can be fix with audio editing softwares. Though, unlike the bulky high def industry standard cameras that has built-in mic that is almost as big as those mini HD, they do serve the purpose in capturing natural sound. Mini-HD hand held devices doesn't seem to take sound in consideration since they only have small mic holes. though it would be great if they would have blue tooth wireless mic that you can tethered just like Sony HD cams...works like a mini boom to capture ample sounds.
Apr 09, 2009
Chris said...
What was the iPod for?
Apr 09, 2009
Chris Darling said...
I thought this was a well done comparison which points to the fact that it's possible to tell the story with inexpensive gear and do it well. I thought it interesting Kirk used an iPod Nano with a Belkin mic to record the dialogue for the Flip version. When I watched these two pieces I was reminded that well shot, well thought out storytelling, can be accomplished w/ cheaper gear, as in "It's the storytelling (content) that is king" the creative use of the Ipod to gather the sound synched to his story footage was a good move since from what i undertand the sound on the Flip HD Mino is one of it's weaknesses.
He stated in a DM response to my query about iPod use to record that he cut it together in FCP dropping in sound to a clap mark point to replace Flip sound.
I came away from viewing this comparison inspired.
Apr 09, 2009
Evan Bartlett said...
I thought there was a pretty noticeable difference between the two takes, the colors were all washed out on the flip one?
Apr 09, 2009
 said...
this is a good example of what's possible with budget gear, but the headline and premise is pretty misleading. We saw a bunch of static, outdoor shots with plenty of light, and all of it compressed down for web video. Have to agree with @Sachin . What about depth of field? Low light? Zoom and focus? Actually holding the camera while you film? The video is a great example of budget film making, but as a comparison of cameras kind of a joke.
Apr 09, 2009
Yellowkid said...
So, in regard to flipcams, what's the verdict --- Mino or Vado?
Apr 16, 2009
Chris said...
I just can't see the next iPhone doing HD video like the Flip. If it does, watch out!

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